1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:04,540 The worst offenders are pursued by the detectives of the specialized criminal 2 00:00:04,540 --> 00:00:05,740 investigations unit. 3 00:00:05,940 --> 00:00:07,400 These are their stories. 4 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,720 I need to stay for a little more time. 5 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,960 No, Amy. 6 00:00:38,380 --> 00:00:39,380 Seriously, I have to go. 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,920 I have class tomorrow at nine. 8 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:43,640 You're literally eating every quart. You can take a morning off. 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Is there something wrong? 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,880 Is it Rob? No, I'm fine. 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,640 Go sing. I'll see you at home. 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Go. 13 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:54,500 Go. Okay. 14 00:00:55,340 --> 00:00:56,460 Can I close my tab? 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Sure. 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,540 No whole lot of love tonight? 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,040 What? 18 00:01:11,980 --> 00:01:13,920 Rob, stop calling. I'm not at tempo. 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,940 Ivy, if you're still feeling this way, maybe you should take a break. 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Go see your parents. 21 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:25,180 So you think I should just run away from my problem? 22 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,960 I think you need to manage your stress. 23 00:01:28,340 --> 00:01:30,400 Wait, you don't think this is real, do you? 24 00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:35,820 Look, I'm not living in some fantasy world, Dr. Nielsen. I didn't say that, 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,460 Come, sit, please. 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,260 I think you should consider doing what's best for you in this situation. 27 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:51,980 I know what's best for me. 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,760 And I'm not going anywhere. 29 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:58,200 Everyone's looking at this all wrong. 30 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:59,940 I've done the test. 31 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:03,360 These wounds were made by something easily accessible. 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,020 A steak knife. 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,240 A paring knife. 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,259 So you think the killer was in the house with her? Followed her out? 35 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:11,700 Why? Is that what you think? 36 00:02:12,540 --> 00:02:13,540 Come on. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,720 Please, Ivy, help me out. 38 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,860 Why would someone stab this woman seven times? 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,360 Passion makes people do irrational things, Morris. 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time playing with knives. 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,580 Okay, so what is it then? I want to possess you, be you, so I'm going to 42 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:37,580 you? 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,360 Hello? 44 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:42,240 Yes, yes, thank you. 45 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:45,900 Uh, yeah, I can be there. 46 00:02:49,980 --> 00:02:52,040 Is that your, uh, mystery lead? 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,580 You're sure that's what you heard? 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,420 Yes, I am certain. 49 00:03:05,020 --> 00:03:06,420 Who else have you told about this? 50 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:07,900 You're the first. 51 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:26,790 Rob, what the hell are you doing? I just want to talk. 52 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:29,090 You've been avoiding me. 53 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:31,870 We've talked for months. You don't listen. 54 00:03:32,150 --> 00:03:33,150 We broke up. 55 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:36,090 Okay, but what if I didn't want to? 56 00:03:39,590 --> 00:03:40,590 Hey, it's me. 57 00:03:41,150 --> 00:03:46,370 Great work. I just think that maybe our last chapter needs a bit more muscle. I 58 00:03:46,370 --> 00:03:49,010 mean, I know you're all about the subtlety and that's awesome, but I think 59 00:03:49,010 --> 00:03:50,870 if we're going to make Wade, we need to hit it harder. 60 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:53,580 That's my thought. Anyway, I'll see you soon. 61 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Amy? 62 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:11,660 Are you home? 63 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,800 Amy? 64 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:57,640 Amy, Mama Rita can't live to find you. Call me as soon as... 65 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:14,160 Hello? 66 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:10,950 Campus security got a call from this phone. 67 00:06:12,190 --> 00:06:13,950 But there was nobody on the line. 68 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:17,790 They sent somebody at 1130 thinking it was a prank. 69 00:06:20,350 --> 00:06:21,590 No such luck. 70 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:24,090 Ivy Abbott, 20 years old. 71 00:06:24,310 --> 00:06:28,710 Dean said she's a third year criminology major. She's got a 4 .0 GPA. 72 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:30,510 Smart kid. 73 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:32,910 You talk to the parents yet? 74 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,620 Yeah, they're both academics. They're in Edinburgh per year. They're flying back 75 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:38,820 today. Ivy was their only kid. 76 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:43,860 So, Ivy Abbott to an emergency phone in the middle of the night. 77 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:45,340 Well, her cell phone died. 78 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,680 Uh, here. 79 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:51,100 Great, 80 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:53,640 thanks. 81 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,280 I wonder if someone was following her. 82 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:02,340 Well, these indentations between her fingers. 83 00:07:02,940 --> 00:07:04,540 Could be she tried to arm herself. 84 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:06,680 Maybe with her keys for protection. 85 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:13,600 Okay, so she runs to the phone to call for help, but the killer stabs her and 86 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,880 then drags her and flips her over. 87 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:18,100 Keeps stabbing. 88 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,700 The wound to her neck would have been fatal. The six stabs on her back, that 89 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:26,080 anger. This was personal. 90 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,420 You found the weapon? No, nothing yet. 91 00:07:31,380 --> 00:07:35,360 Anything on a person that could account for this? Looks like rope burn. 92 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:38,480 No, we just found her wallet, keys, and her phone. 93 00:07:38,860 --> 00:07:39,860 Oh, it's charged. 94 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Thanks. 95 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:45,100 Hey. 96 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:50,420 What do you mean you're too scared to stay home? Call me. 97 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Abby said she was coming back to her apartment. 98 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:02,560 I was studying on campus till midnight. 99 00:08:03,620 --> 00:08:07,380 I was on Do Not Disturb when I got Ivy's voicemail. 100 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:11,220 I texted her and she didn't respond. 101 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:13,840 I ran home and I found this. 102 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,280 I tried to blow them all up, but there were so many. 103 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,820 Amy, is there anyone we can call? 104 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:21,800 Can I text my mom? Of course. 105 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:38,299 Has anything like this happened before? 106 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,820 The first time there were just a couple of candles. Then a few more. 107 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:47,740 Done. Ivy must have been so scared. 108 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Do you have any idea who might have done this? 109 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Yeah, I figured it was Rob. 110 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:55,780 Ivy's ex. 111 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,820 It started a couple months ago when they broke up. 112 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Did Ivy ever inform the police? 113 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:02,939 She tried. 114 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:03,899 The cop. 115 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:07,080 at the station said that it's not a crime to leave something outside of 116 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,080 someone's house. 117 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Do you think this was some grand gesture to try to get Ivy back? 118 00:09:17,860 --> 00:09:19,060 He tried every other way. 119 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:22,260 Constant calling, texting, guys unhinged. 120 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,440 What, you think I did something to Ivy? 121 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,480 No, no, I would never hurt her. 122 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,580 Well, what do you know about this, huh? 123 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:34,220 It's got quite the distinctive scent. 124 00:09:35,180 --> 00:09:41,380 Cedar, cannabis, Canadian wildflowers, and a hundred of these were left on 125 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:43,180 patio last night. That's crazy. 126 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,540 Where were you last night, Rob? 127 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,720 I was at the Madison. 128 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,660 Got there at like 10 p .m. with a few buddies. 129 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:51,300 Stayed until, I don't know, 1 .30. 130 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:52,580 Came back here with Kaylee. 131 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 She just left. 132 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,400 Kaylee? 133 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,780 I'm trying to think of new people. Get over Ivy. 134 00:09:59,630 --> 00:10:02,410 The best six months of my life were with her. So why did you break up? 135 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:03,610 I don't know. 136 00:10:04,210 --> 00:10:07,650 She just pulled away. She broke up with me. She wouldn't tell me why. 137 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:13,030 She shut down her social media, started going to therapy, which I thought was 138 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:16,090 weird. I mean, she never wanted to talk about her feelings before. 139 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:18,150 Who's the therapist? 140 00:10:18,670 --> 00:10:19,670 Someone on campus. 141 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:23,490 Sarah something. 142 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:28,470 Ivy and I met. 143 00:10:28,830 --> 00:10:30,350 four times in the last few months. 144 00:10:33,770 --> 00:10:36,530 She was a good student, good kid. 145 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:39,390 And she needed someone to talk to. 146 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:43,410 Yes, she was stressed, anxious. 147 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:48,550 Did this anxiety have anything to do with unwanted attention? 148 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:52,350 All students seek out guidance regarding harassment, Detective, and 149 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:54,110 unfortunately Ivy was no different. 150 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:56,530 Look, I... 151 00:10:56,650 --> 00:11:02,850 I wouldn't normally do this, but you can 152 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:05,430 have my notes. They might help. 153 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:11,330 Thank you. Ivy was convinced that someone was following her. She said that 154 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:14,890 left things outside of her apartment and lurked near her place. To be honest, I 155 00:11:14,890 --> 00:11:20,650 couldn't tell whether this was real or whether it was some delusion brought on 156 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:21,730 by some underlying issue. 157 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:25,510 It says here possible BPD. I'm assuming that's borderline personality. 158 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:29,540 Disorder, disordered sense of self, intense emotions. 159 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:31,620 Relationship instability, yes. 160 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,700 It's all motivated by a fear of abandonment. But I wasn't sure because I 161 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:38,380 exhibited traits of paranoid personality disorder. 162 00:11:38,980 --> 00:11:40,700 Delusions, distrust. 163 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,080 And you never made an official diagnosis? 164 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:45,860 No, no one. 165 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:51,260 Considering what happened to her, I suppose I got that all wrong. 166 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:57,670 Regardless, it would take me more than four sessions to, you know, some folks 167 00:11:57,670 --> 00:11:59,290 after the stuff with a hammer. 168 00:12:00,110 --> 00:12:01,410 I paint in watercolor. 169 00:12:02,350 --> 00:12:04,910 You know, it takes time, patience. 170 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:10,650 I wanted to help Ivy. I really did. But I couldn't report the harassment for 171 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:14,490 her. Did Ivy ever describe this person? 172 00:12:15,130 --> 00:12:19,050 The only thing that I remember her saying is that he wore an army jacket. 173 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,520 So sad, isn't it? 174 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:34,900 Did you know him? 175 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,520 She was my girlfriend. 176 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Oh, my God. 177 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,420 I'm so sorry. 178 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:45,540 Apparently, she tried to report it, but her description of the guy was vague. 179 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,020 And do you know what they say about... ...in slow motion. 180 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,780 Finished IV Abbott's autopsy. The killer twisted the knife inside her neck 181 00:12:55,780 --> 00:12:57,760 almost 180 degrees. 182 00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:00,940 She sliced her carotid and her jugular? Yeah, she... 183 00:13:01,420 --> 00:13:02,319 I went out quickly. 184 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,400 I looked into those abrasions on her left hand. They're thin fibers embedded. 185 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:09,460 I said, I'm testing. 186 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:13,900 Possibly clutching onto an object as a weapon when the keys fell? Maybe. 187 00:13:15,820 --> 00:13:20,580 I once tried off a Subway perv using a debit card. Yeah, I pretended chapstick 188 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:22,460 with pepper spray. It actually worked. 189 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,580 Her killer wasn't a stranger. 190 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:25,860 He had a purse. 191 00:13:26,670 --> 00:13:30,930 No connection with her. Yeah, he either hated her or desired her. Maybe he even 192 00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:32,010 felt a whole lot of love. 193 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:36,510 What's the name of the candle? Forensics just came back. 194 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:43,510 Pinpointed a blend of cedar, cannabis, and Canadian wildflowers 195 00:13:43,510 --> 00:13:45,750 created by a Canadian company, Shy Wolf. 196 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:52,670 And guess who bought 150 candles using their credit card online? 197 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,180 Hope you have a reservation because we're totally booked tonight. 198 00:13:56,460 --> 00:14:03,080 Oh, I'm sure he's in for, I don't know, five minutes and 33 199 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,180 seconds. I have enough time to do a party with a lot of loves. 200 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Carter Harold, right? That's you? 201 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:12,680 Yeah. 202 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:18,780 I'll see you about a whole lot of these candles. 203 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:23,120 It's very expensive to just leave. 204 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:25,400 There's a mob at the backyard. 205 00:14:30,140 --> 00:14:36,780 Come on, 206 00:14:36,780 --> 00:14:37,820 Currier. That's enough. 207 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:39,420 I didn't kill Ivy, I swear. 208 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,440 You sure? 209 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:48,280 Since you were stalking her. 210 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,900 Okay, the candles on the night she died. On all those nights. 211 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,420 But I just wanted... Wanted what? 212 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:58,960 Be your own personal boogeyman? 213 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,220 No, I wanted her to know that I cared about her. 214 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:03,480 The candles, they were a message. 215 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:05,640 They were named after a song we sang together. 216 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,320 You're telling me a 20 -year -old sang Led Zeppelin at karaoke? 217 00:15:09,260 --> 00:15:15,780 Not exactly. I was in a room on my own one night, but then I heard a voice in 218 00:15:15,780 --> 00:15:16,780 the hall joining in. 219 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,000 I looked out and saw her. 220 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,380 And you got hooked? 221 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:27,690 Pulled her address off her ID, went to her house, started taking photos, 222 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:28,870 lighting candles. 223 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:31,010 She needed her to know how I felt. 224 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:32,610 What about how she felt? 225 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:38,050 I'm pretty sure you terrified her every single time. 226 00:15:38,530 --> 00:15:40,590 See, I'm pretty sure. 227 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:46,430 So forgive me, but you want us to believe that you trespassed onto her 228 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:51,850 peeked through her windows, and took some pretty intrusive photos of her. 229 00:15:52,810 --> 00:15:58,010 But then you didn't follow her to a deserted area, stab her in the neck and 230 00:15:58,010 --> 00:16:02,910 the... Carter, what did Ivy do when she saw the candles? 231 00:16:06,850 --> 00:16:07,850 Answer the question. 232 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:11,050 Okay. 233 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:13,550 She obviously didn't like them. 234 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:17,670 Shocker. I left. I went to work the late shift at the bar. 235 00:16:18,810 --> 00:16:20,570 Check the cameras. I was there by 1115. 236 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:24,149 We will. 237 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:26,330 Honestly, I wish I'd followed her. I could have helped her. 238 00:16:27,610 --> 00:16:31,290 Well, maybe it's not to help. 239 00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:33,610 You followed her around, right? 240 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:35,470 Yeah. What was she up to? 241 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:40,030 She was spending way too much time at that criminology building. 242 00:16:40,270 --> 00:16:42,350 She had classes there. It was not just class. 243 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:44,430 It was something else. 244 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:49,610 Every day she goes to some weird locked room that only a few people had a key 245 00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:50,610 to. 246 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:52,590 What's inside? 247 00:16:53,230 --> 00:16:55,550 I don't know, but I think it's bad for her. 248 00:16:57,090 --> 00:16:58,090 Very bad. 249 00:17:01,850 --> 00:17:03,070 I don't know when you're done. 250 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:11,150 Well, looks like a bunch of true crime nerds made a mess. 251 00:17:11,650 --> 00:17:17,410 Or, love, there'd be a seminar supervised by Professor Garrett Poole. 252 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,500 A victim was Kat Berman, murdered in 2019 at 253 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:32,120 Queens University. She was stabbed once in the neck. 254 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:36,920 And six times in the back. 255 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,680 Exactly like that. 256 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:46,420 So Ivy Abbott was studying. 257 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,360 In cats Berman's murder and ends up getting killed in exactly the same way 258 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:58,720 to the twist of the knife Take a look at Ivy's autopsy in Catholic Autopsy from 259 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:05,220 six years ago their fatal neck wounds were caused by the exact same Followed 260 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:09,140 six stabs to the back. The only difference was the marks on the ham 261 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,120 Ivy had them, Cat did not. 262 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:13,580 You talked to Kingston PD? 263 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Yeah, they gave us access to Cat's file, but they haven't had a new lead in 264 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,180 forever. So, now we have two dead students, 265 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:23,900 similar ages, same wound. 266 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:26,540 Yeah, we might be looking at a serial murderer. 267 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,700 Or a copycat who knew the wound pattern well. 268 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,160 Maybe because they studied at a cold case club. 269 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:40,770 Ivy was an excellent student. Sorry for your loss. 270 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:43,490 The provost told us she was in your cold case club. 271 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:45,790 Yeah, one of only ten kids selected. 272 00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:52,070 Yes, it was an invitation -only criminology seminar for third -year 273 00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:54,810 And Ivy was, yeah, she was doing incredibly well. 274 00:18:55,170 --> 00:18:56,170 They all were. 275 00:18:56,450 --> 00:19:02,390 So you thought your best to solve Kat Berman's murder? 276 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:04,970 Stumped the Kingston PD. 277 00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:09,640 It's more of a teaching exercise. 278 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,880 So you take an unsolvable case and give it to a bunch of smart kids. 279 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:20,560 They each bring their own expertise, their own point of view. It's 280 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,580 What was Ivy's angle? 281 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Interpreting witness testimony. 282 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:30,900 And what if a student discovers a lead? 283 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:38,580 Then I would take it to the cold case unit, but I've been using this one for a 284 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:40,120 couple years now. 285 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,860 And so far, it leads. 286 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:47,460 But Ivy wanted to find one, yeah. 287 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:53,100 We heard she spent quite a lot of time in the seminar room after hours. 288 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Yes, they all did. And I told them they'd get top marks if they solved it, 289 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,960 they couldn't take the files home. 290 00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:01,860 Did those files... 291 00:20:04,790 --> 00:20:07,310 Cat Berman's autopsy. 292 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:09,930 Yes, why? 293 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:15,570 Oh, we were wondering if any of the students were... Pathology angle. 294 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:17,350 Caused death, injuries. 295 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:20,110 Yes. 296 00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:21,910 Morris LeMay. 297 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:28,470 He's an aspiring forensic pathologist. He would... Recreate Cat Berman's wounds 298 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:31,330 using various... Unique methods. 299 00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:36,210 Many budding pathologists practice replicating nightclubs. 300 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,070 It's not weird. 301 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:43,550 So, does everyone work on Miss Pig? 302 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:47,950 They should. The consistency of pig flesh is very close to human. 303 00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:49,290 Well, funny, that's why we're here. 304 00:20:49,850 --> 00:20:53,090 Moritz, where were you the night Ivy died? I didn't kill Ivy. I was with my 305 00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:54,029 parents. Here. 306 00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:55,030 All night. 307 00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:56,430 You can ask them. 308 00:20:58,450 --> 00:20:59,450 What's on your mind? 309 00:20:59,590 --> 00:21:00,730 If only I'd move faster. 310 00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:06,570 Better. Could have found out who really did this, and Ivy would still be alive. 311 00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:09,530 Do you think Cats Killer murdered Ivy? Isn't it obvious? 312 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,150 Ivy probably figured out who did it. 313 00:21:12,790 --> 00:21:14,010 Call yourself a detective. 314 00:21:16,030 --> 00:21:19,510 Professor Poole said that there were no new leads. 315 00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:21,170 Yeah, well, Poole doesn't know everything. 316 00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:24,930 Ivy finished reviewing witness testimony and moved on to something that wasn't 317 00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:25,930 even assigned to her. 318 00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:27,990 Something that no one was allowed to do. 319 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:29,590 Interviewing. 320 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,739 How'd you know? 321 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,420 That's exactly what he would have done. 322 00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:37,780 So, what was Ivy's strategy? 323 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,680 Ivy was really into victimology. 324 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:43,120 In particular, victim facilitation. 325 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,360 You know, the theory of what makes someone a target? 326 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,340 Nothing in the witness testimony made it seem like Kat was a high -risk victim. 327 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,160 She went to work and school. 328 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:55,220 So Ivy wanted to know how the killer came into Kat's orbit. 329 00:21:56,060 --> 00:22:00,140 Yeah. Ivy figured the perp was either an unassuming random stalker... Or 330 00:22:00,140 --> 00:22:01,140 someone. 331 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,540 Cat didn't want anyone else to know about. 332 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:07,160 Did Ivy find any new leads? 333 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,640 She went to meet a witness the day she died. 334 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:12,240 I saw the address she wrote down before she left. 335 00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:21,040 Yes, Ivy Abbott came by here at 6 p .m. 336 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:26,220 We chatted, she left. I was here till 12. I didn't even know her. 337 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:29,780 But Ivy thought that you might know Cat Berman. 338 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Barely. 339 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,180 I used to deliver pizzas to Kat. And where was this? 340 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:37,760 Six years ago, I was living in Kingston with my aunt. And on the weekend, I 341 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,620 delivered pizzas for a place called Mac's Dough. 342 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,540 And Ivy knew you were delivering pizzas to Kat? She saw a photo of our pizza box 343 00:22:44,540 --> 00:22:45,540 in Kat's recycling. 344 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:48,500 Part of the... His files, I guess. 345 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:52,260 And Ivy wanted to know if you ever saw anyone with Kat on the weekends? 346 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,720 Yes. And there was a guy there with her sometimes. 347 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Definitely a boyfriend. 348 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,860 So, Damien, did you ever see a face, get a name? 349 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,420 No, but I heard his voice. He was annoying. 350 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,980 Told the same story over and over. 351 00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:11,300 So our pizza box was red, right? Every time Kat took it inside, he would make a 352 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:16,720 comment on how it was the exact same color of his fancy cottage in 353 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,880 So when I told Ivy about it, she got really tense. 354 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,240 Said she needed to talk to her professor right away. 355 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,160 Hmm. Funny. 356 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,020 You didn't tell us that. 357 00:23:34,409 --> 00:23:37,390 Morning. I came to grab some of my research. 358 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:42,150 Well, you won't need it. Out of respect for Ivy, I'm giving this seminar for 359 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:43,109 good. 360 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:44,390 But what about our grades? 361 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:46,390 Is that all you can think about? 362 00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:48,150 Your grades? 363 00:23:50,110 --> 00:23:52,010 What kind of question is that, man? 364 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:53,670 What's wrong with you? 365 00:23:57,310 --> 00:23:58,289 I'm sorry. 366 00:23:58,290 --> 00:23:59,290 You're right. 367 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:00,730 Hang on, hang on. 368 00:24:00,990 --> 00:24:02,630 I'm sorry. It's, um... 369 00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:07,610 Marks will be determined based on the work that's already been submitted. 370 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:08,970 okay. Don't worry. 371 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:13,370 So you've never heard of Damien Aku? 372 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:17,370 No, I've never mentioned meeting anyone named Damien Aku. 373 00:24:20,130 --> 00:24:23,550 I would never condone her reaching out to a stranger about the cold case. 374 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:24,830 Really? 375 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:30,670 Because Damien told us that Ivy's first priority was to report back to you about 376 00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:31,670 a new suspect. 377 00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:33,370 Well, she may have sent an email. 378 00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:35,830 Maybe it ended up in my junk box. 379 00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:39,350 I don't know. My inbox is a mess. I haven't had time to go through. 380 00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:44,590 This is the first new clue in years, and you haven't had time? 381 00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:47,070 I'm saying I didn't know there was a new clue. 382 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:49,570 Okay. Well, that's all right. You know what? We can fill you in. 383 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:54,370 So Ivy found out that Kat had a secret boyfriend. 384 00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:57,750 We don't know his name. 385 00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:01,630 Oh, but we do know that he owns some pretty stuff. 386 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:06,120 Yeah, a red cottage in Newfoundland. I like this one. 387 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,420 Were you dating Cat Berman? 388 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:20,980 And what did you do when Ivy found 389 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:21,980 out? 390 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,860 We know he took a sabbatical from Osler in 2019. 391 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:33,910 ...to Kingston to write a book on the penitentiary. The same year Cat was 392 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:40,730 killed. Yeah, Cat worked in a library that had penitentiary archives. They 393 00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:47,450 have met there. We haven't confirmed it. But after Cat was killed, Garrett 394 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:51,590 Poole went back home and eventually started a bookie. It's possible he was a 395 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:52,590 bandit. 396 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:56,150 In the case, they lived in the same city. Maybe you read about it in the 397 00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:58,610 newspaper. Yeah, except that now we're thinking that he was sleeping with cats. 398 00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:01,910 So he's either obsessed with the woman he loved. 399 00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:08,510 Or he's a murdering narcissist who's spent the last three years 400 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:11,750 with his students to catch him. 401 00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:13,910 Who the hell are we dealing with? 402 00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:23,220 Yes, I was sleeping with Kat Berman in 2019. 403 00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:29,520 Our relationship had nothing to do with her murder. I didn't kill her. 404 00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:30,820 I loved her. 405 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,940 You used her murder as fodder for a university class. 406 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,500 I want to solve the case. So did Ivy. And from the looks of it, she got 407 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,860 dangerously close to the truth. We got a warrant. 408 00:26:47,050 --> 00:26:50,510 And you are not lying about your inbox being a mess. 409 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:54,830 But we found this in your trash. 410 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:56,370 What is this? 411 00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:57,790 Email? 412 00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:03,390 The one that you couldn't find. It was sent the night she was killed. But 413 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:07,230 forgive me. I left my glasses on my desk. 414 00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:11,470 Perhaps you could read it out to us. 415 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:18,590 I know you were dating Kat. 416 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:24,570 This isn't what it looks like. 417 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:31,270 Come on. No? Because you deleted a very clear message from Ivy that 418 00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:35,630 would give a very clear motive for murder. 419 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:39,710 And let's face it, it might be easier just to get rid of her than to have to 420 00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:42,810 track down and destroy 2 ,000 copies of a book. 421 00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:46,030 With a very damning detail on it. 422 00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:52,550 I did not kill Ivy out of some kind of self -preservation because I did not 423 00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:53,730 Kat. Do you understand? 424 00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:58,270 Then why would you lie to her? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be 425 00:27:58,270 --> 00:27:59,270 male professor these days? 426 00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:06,710 I did not want the fact that I 427 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:09,510 slept with Kat to get out, okay? It's not because I killed her. 428 00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:13,140 It's because I would be ruined. I'd be canceled. 429 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:14,420 I would lose everything. 430 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:16,800 Yeah, but I don't know. 431 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:18,820 So what'd you do? 432 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,920 Go after her? Yeah, your office is very, very close to where she was killed. 433 00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:26,280 Yeah, but I wasn't at my office. 434 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:27,439 Where were you? 435 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,260 I was with a colleague at her office. Who? 436 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,800 Sharon Nielsen. 437 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,600 I'm working with her on my new book. I was with her from 9 .30 to midnight. 438 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,940 Sharon Nielsen, the campus therapist. 439 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Did you know that Sarah was treating Ivy? 440 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,120 I mean... 441 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,780 Yes. 442 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,160 How? 443 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:00,620 Because I introduced them. 444 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:06,200 Do you handpick all your student therapists? 445 00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:13,910 Maybe you got your pal to talk to Ivy for the same reason you trashed that 446 00:29:13,910 --> 00:29:20,610 email. Because you didn't want the world to know that you and Ivy were also in a 447 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:21,630 sexual relationship. 448 00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:23,710 That would make you two for two. 449 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,390 Two relationships, two students. 450 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:33,930 Ivy never told me that she and Garrett Poole were sleeping together. I'd have 451 00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:34,769 report that. 452 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:35,950 Even though you're friends. 453 00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:40,410 The way friendship detectives, so do morals. 454 00:29:40,990 --> 00:29:42,890 And the night Ivy was killed. 455 00:29:45,290 --> 00:29:50,110 We were working on his new book. 456 00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:55,570 Whatever was happening with Ivy, Garrett's telling the truth about that 457 00:29:57,550 --> 00:30:03,250 Did forensics come back on those fibers in Ivy's hand? I was just about to call 458 00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:07,250 you. They're from a cord used in retractable key card fobs. 459 00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:11,450 Like the one Poole used to let us into his office. 460 00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:16,350 It looked long enough to wrap around Ivy's hand caused rope burn. I knew we 461 00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:19,170 shouldn't have let him go. Now the man had an alibi, it was died. 462 00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:22,930 But if you find the cord, I can test it for Ivy's DNA. 463 00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:24,850 Thanks, Lucy. Stand by. 464 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:32,550 Okay, you two, we need to be very strategic here because whether or not 465 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:34,990 DNA on that cord... Poole's alibi still stands. 466 00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:41,230 However, in my experience, even the most bulletproof of alibis will weaken when 467 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,170 faced with a fear of obstructing justice. 468 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:49,970 So if we tell ethical, moral Thera that we've got something against Poole, she 469 00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:50,569 might bend. 470 00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:55,830 And if you gild the lily by showing her a little more of the horror she's 471 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:57,470 covering up... She might break. 472 00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:00,530 You, uh, put a... 473 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,520 Nothing I'd rather do. Go break that alibi. 474 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,760 Garrett. 475 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,440 Thank God they released you. You okay? 476 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:16,740 Yeah, I'm fine. 477 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,040 I'm fine. 478 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,760 Thanks for talking to the cops. You're a lifesaver. 479 00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:28,540 Um... Garrett? 480 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:31,980 Yeah? Is there anything that you want to tell me? 481 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:35,249 About what? 482 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:36,290 About Ivy. 483 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:41,610 Garrett, I just lied for you. 484 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:47,610 You know I didn't. 485 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:49,910 I didn't. Right? 486 00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:51,670 You know that. 487 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:55,530 Of course you didn't. But... But nothing. 488 00:31:55,730 --> 00:32:00,270 Why should we give some myopic cops any window of opportunity to pin this? 489 00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:07,550 I left your office. I was out walking around the campus, just processing all 490 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:10,770 these great ideas that you had for the last chapter, you know? 491 00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:13,089 You're amazing. 492 00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:14,090 You know that, right? 493 00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:15,230 Oh, stop. 494 00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:17,910 God, I'm so lucky to have you. 495 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:19,670 What do you mean? 496 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:27,230 I mean, you're loyal, and you're faithful, and 497 00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:30,230 you're so smart. 498 00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:32,570 It's just people. 499 00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:34,250 There's no silliness. 500 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:36,650 There's no messy feelings getting in the way. 501 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:46,610 Why are you showing me these? 502 00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:51,110 Because we believe your friend Garrett Poole did that to Ivy Abbott. 503 00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:52,310 That's impossible. 504 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:54,010 I told you that we were together. 505 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:59,330 It's amazing what people will do to protect a friend. 506 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:06,230 What do you have in your pockets? 507 00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:07,590 Come on, show me. 508 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:13,470 Okay, 509 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:16,150 so, you're by yourself. 510 00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:17,630 It's nighttime. 511 00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:19,190 Someone's following you. 512 00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:21,750 Out of all of this, what do you use to defend yourself? 513 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:27,030 So, they have a knife. 514 00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:29,730 You have a knife. 515 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:36,220 I mean, compared to you, right now, Ivy was lucky. She had her keys on her. 516 00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:41,060 And intertwined them between her fingers in the hope that she could take a swing 517 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:42,800 and then run. But she didn't. 518 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:46,440 Because someone stabbed her in the side of the neck. She got the chance. 519 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,540 Why would Garrett do this? 520 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,880 Ivy learned that there was another student he was involved with who also 521 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,980 up dead. Cat Berman, six years ago. There were more. 522 00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:59,820 I knew about Ivy. 523 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:01,820 Wait, you knew that... 524 00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:04,470 Paul was sleeping with Ivy. 525 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:06,250 Why are you wasting our time? 526 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:09,090 Okay. 527 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:11,770 Ivy told me. 528 00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,810 I was horrified, but I couldn't always trust what she said. 529 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:21,350 I told her it wasn't appropriate, and she told me that she was too scared to 530 00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:22,350 break up with him. 531 00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:24,790 Now, I could never imagine Garrett threatening a woman. 532 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:28,130 Oh, this looks more than that's a threat, doesn't it? 533 00:34:30,429 --> 00:34:31,870 Garrett wouldn't hurt anyone. 534 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:33,510 Come on, Sarah. 535 00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:39,710 Predators don't just hide in the shadows. They are in nice homes in 536 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:42,710 power. And you are enabling it. 537 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:48,409 Why? 538 00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:51,469 I didn't want Garrett to be ruined. 539 00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:56,310 What if Garrett was telling the truth? What if Ivy was lying? 540 00:34:57,510 --> 00:35:01,170 But she wasn't. So don't lie for him. 541 00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:13,090 Garrett was in my office with me until 11 p .m. 542 00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:16,750 I'm sorry. 543 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:23,190 I never thought that he could do something like this. So when he asked me 544 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:27,430 that we were together until midnight, I said, okay. 545 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:31,550 Detective, what? 546 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,160 The sprint team just called Poole in on the move. He's got a suitcase with him. 547 00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:41,840 I'll deal with Sarah. You go. 548 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:49,379 There you go. 549 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:50,380 We'll just keep up. 550 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:53,020 Dr. Poole! 551 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,260 Dear Poole! Police! Stop! 552 00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:02,400 What the hell is going on here? 553 00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,020 I didn't do anything. 554 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:05,178 We'll see. 555 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:08,360 What about that? Well, you're under arrest for the murder of Ivy Abbott. 556 00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:14,860 I was headed to Union Station. 557 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:18,680 I'm trained to go to Hudson Valley to see a friend. 558 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,020 I'm not guilty of anything. 559 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:25,260 Well, the jury's out on that. But we'll have a clearer picture once forensics 560 00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:30,040 comes back with the key fob. We believe it was the last thing that Ivy Abbott 561 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,600 grabbed for before she died. 562 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,520 You knew it was only a matter of time before Ivy outed you as Cat's killer. 563 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,560 got rid of her to save yourself. 564 00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:43,920 I didn't kill Ivy. I didn't kill Cat. I told you, I love them. Both of them. You 565 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,940 preyed on two young students and ended up dead. 566 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,900 Is that the result? 567 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,280 The DNA test? 568 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,560 What does it say? 569 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:57,540 What does it say? 570 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:04,690 Ivy's DNA. 571 00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:08,470 Yeah, I told you. I told you I didn't kill anyone. 572 00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:14,150 Then why did you ask a colleague to fabricate an alibi for you? I didn't ask 573 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:16,170 to do that. It was her idea. 574 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:22,610 So she just came up with this whole plan all by herself. Why? 575 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:25,070 Sarah is a friend. 576 00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:28,670 Okay? She's a close friend. She adored me. 577 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:35,710 Do anything for me. So when we found out that Ivy was killed, a student we both 578 00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:40,350 knew, Sarah suggested that we just say that we were together, you know, just to 579 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:42,350 keep things tidy. 580 00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:45,290 So one more time. 581 00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:47,290 Where were you? 582 00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:54,290 At 11 o 'clock, I went out for a walk, and Sarah stayed behind and worked on my 583 00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:55,290 edits. 584 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:04,290 of Ivy Abbott's murder. 585 00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:08,610 Let's get Sarah's interview up. Yep, I'm on it. 586 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:13,430 What do you have in your pocket? 587 00:38:14,530 --> 00:38:15,530 No, show me. 588 00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:17,630 Hmm. 589 00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:19,550 Okay, so you're alone. 590 00:38:20,290 --> 00:38:21,290 It's not that. 591 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:32,370 The white key card. It's not the official blue one. 592 00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:34,530 And the rest of the staff have. It's temporary. 593 00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:41,290 And she tried to hide it, which means she got rid of her fish and the fog that 594 00:38:41,290 --> 00:38:42,029 went with it. 595 00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:48,950 And as Poole said, she'd do anything 596 00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:49,950 to help him. 597 00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:53,990 Sarah Nielsen was inside Ivy's head. 598 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:58,050 Yeah, she knew she could kill Ivy and point the finger at any number of people 599 00:38:58,050 --> 00:38:59,050 in Ivy's life. 600 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,860 Even pointed you two toward a stalker. And all the while, she was covering for 601 00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:04,540 Poole, which also gave herself an alibi. 602 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,440 That's some fancy footwork. 603 00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:11,200 But then for some reason, she decided to throw Poole under the bus. 604 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,980 Why? Well, because we offered him up as a patsy. And if Sarah's smart, the only 605 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:21,800 piece of hard evidence that we hope to test is long gone. Finding that fob 606 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,800 wouldn't help. 607 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:24,940 I'm Sarah. 608 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,100 First thing I'd say. 609 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,480 Everyone at Osler has that, Bob. 610 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,580 30 ,000 people could be your killer. 611 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,800 I like this game. Okay. 612 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,700 Well, what would you say if I said to you, your client has no alibi? 613 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,060 She was in her office. 614 00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:44,760 Working. The therapist's offices don't have cameras. 615 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,640 Thank you, counsel. 616 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,880 But I have the floor. 617 00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:55,040 You don't have my client's prints on the murder weapon because you don't have a 618 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,400 murder weapon. No sign of her. 619 00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,140 We're on CCTV, at least not a recognizable Sarah. 620 00:40:00,380 --> 00:40:03,120 Okay, but what is a recognizable Sarah? 621 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:07,100 The woman is a cipher. I don't think I've seen the real Sarah. 622 00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:12,600 This, this could be the real Sarah. 623 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:14,900 Now this is Poole's one big book, right? 624 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:20,280 Got him tenure, but it doesn't read like his earlier papers. Listen to this 625 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,440 language. As Anna Freud posited in 1936, defense mechanisms operate 626 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,280 unconsciously to protect the evil. 627 00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:31,390 Rejection, sublimation, displacement. 628 00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:35,410 Sigmund Freud swung at these conditions with a hat. 629 00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:41,630 But Anna Freud believed in time, layers, and patience. She unpacked these 630 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:45,690 emotions with care and painted them with a watercolor brush. 631 00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:51,590 If you're glad we went there after we first met, you think that's her 632 00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:53,990 You gave it all to Poole? 633 00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:55,290 Romantic, isn't it? 634 00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:56,410 It certainly is. 635 00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:58,190 And that's how we break. 636 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,420 Thanks for meeting me here, Sarah. 637 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,520 How are you feeling? 638 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:10,740 I'm a little stunned. I can't believe that Garrett said it was my idea to lie 639 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:11,678 about his alibi. 640 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,500 Yeah, well, we fell right through that. 641 00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:16,180 Well, I'm just glad that you caught him. 642 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520 Yeah. 643 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520 But it's not over yet. 644 00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:25,760 We still have to put him behind bars. And there are aspects of both Ivy... 645 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:31,100 And Kat's case is that we just still don't understand. So I'm hoping you can 646 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,700 help. Well, I don't know Kat. 647 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000 Oh, that's okay. 648 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:39,820 Kat's murder was only like Ivy's. And, you know, Ivy, you know Garrett. 649 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,680 You're the expert here, not me. 650 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,220 I'm so curious about your perspective. 651 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:52,940 I've already told you everything I know. Facts. Yeah, 652 00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:59,220 but... I'm looking for feelings. And you were practically inside their heads. I 653 00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:02,040 mean, you were Ivy's therapist and Garrett's muse. 654 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,680 What do you mean, Garrett's muse? 655 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,900 Oh, Sarah, I read his book. 656 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,820 The chapters on defense mechanisms, impulsivity, emotional dysregulation. 657 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:18,480 That was all you. No. 658 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:19,700 No, no, no. 659 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,680 No, no, no, no. Me. We worked together on your ideas. 660 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,380 Well, I wanted to help him. 661 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,600 Yeah. 662 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,880 Like you helped him with his alibi? 663 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,879 It's okay. 664 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,440 I know it's not your fault. 665 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,420 I think that Garrett was able to get away with these murders because he 666 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:42,040 manipulated his victims, you included. 667 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:44,800 This guy was very careful. 668 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,080 No, no, there's careful and then there's controlling. 669 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,000 What do you mean? 670 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,220 Well, Ivy mentioned that Garrett asked to track her phone. 671 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:54,060 That's why she was so scared. 672 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,360 Wow. He liked to lead in relationships, have the upper hand. 673 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,800 And would he like that with you, too, in your relationship? 674 00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:04,280 Well, Garrett and I, we're just friends. 675 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,960 Really? Yeah. 676 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,500 Come on. I can tell a woman is in love. 677 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,580 Garrett knew how you felt, and he took advantage of that? 678 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,160 What are you suggesting? 679 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,180 That I'm weak? No. 680 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,800 God, no. 681 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:28,580 No, I've, uh... I've been... Huh. 682 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:37,200 My rookie year, I fell absolutely head over heels with a guy that I worked 683 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,800 with. I became obsessed. 684 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,720 I memorized his schedule. I followed him around. I would make excuses to work 685 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,240 together. Did he like you back? 686 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,520 He liked my work. 687 00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:58,180 He liked it so much that sometimes he would claim it 688 00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:00,080 as his own. 689 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,160 Yeah, eventually he did want more than just my work. So he'd take you back? 690 00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:09,400 Mm -hmm. Yeah. 691 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,960 But he didn't like me nothing. 692 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:19,700 It turns out he was married the entire time. 693 00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:25,190 Oh. And I wanted a family. 694 00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:32,570 That's terrible. At least Garrett isn't married. 695 00:44:33,350 --> 00:44:34,350 No. 696 00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:40,450 He is otherwise engaged. 697 00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:47,250 He spends his time on things, but gives you just enough to hang on. Kind 698 00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:49,290 words, empty promises, and all that. 699 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,340 All the while, your time marches on. Your window is closing. 700 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,620 I have always had feelings for Garrett. 701 00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:04,080 But he said that we shouldn't cross the line. 702 00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:07,380 We're colleagues. 703 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,180 But he crosses the line with his students. But that's none of my 704 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:14,120 have accepted that we are just friends. 705 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,880 No, friends don't steal. Friends work. 706 00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,100 Friends don't. 707 00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:23,460 Use their friends to try to cover up their affairs with students. And friends 708 00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:26,520 don't blame their friends for their crimes. 709 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,100 Or maybe they do. 710 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,580 See, I think you might be doing exactly that to Garrett. 711 00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:40,440 What are you talking about? 712 00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:44,500 Sarah, how would you define projection? 713 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,300 It's when someone attributes their own undesirable feelings, thoughts, and to 714 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:55,360 somebody else. Okay, so like when you suggested that Ivy was borderline with a 715 00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:02,060 type of paternality disorder and intense emotion, fear of 716 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:05,380 abandonment, impulsivity, delusion. 717 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:12,360 I am not an original detective, and I actually, I've done nothing 718 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,720 but try to. 719 00:46:15,549 --> 00:46:16,549 To help? 720 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:19,870 Yeah. Well, you've been very helpful. 721 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:25,330 When you wanted me to trust you and like you, you told me everything I wanted to 722 00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:26,330 hear. 723 00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:27,450 I've read your notes. 724 00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:33,010 And I made some of my own. And I think all those things you were saying about 725 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:36,930 Ivy, you were really talking about yourself. 726 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:40,750 Sarah, stop. 727 00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:43,630 No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm done here. From the moment that I walked in. 728 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,460 into that office you've been trying to manipulate me and now you are trying to 729 00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:54,440 turn the tables with anger and it's not going to work was that your attempt at 730 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,560 empathizing in there at relating god you are so out of your depth you should be 731 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,860 embarrassed you're projecting again you've been carrying a torch for that 732 00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:07,220 for 10 years 10 years of him stealing your work 733 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,500 Nothing you scraps while he screws his students. And you know it's shameful and 734 00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:16,820 you still can't stop. I don't need Garrett. No, you don't, but you want 735 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,320 You want him. 736 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,480 Fully and forever. And you know he wants you too. 737 00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:23,360 He just needed a little nudge. 738 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,100 You know that one day he's going to wake up and look at you and see what is 739 00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:29,100 right in front of him. 740 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:33,640 It's been here all along. You just needed those girls to get out of the 741 00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:37,320 The baubles. The trinkets. 742 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,860 You, you are the real thing. 743 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,420 So you stabbed Kat outside her house. 744 00:47:46,540 --> 00:47:51,200 You tracked Ivy's phone and you killed her. No, no, you have no proof. 745 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,380 I know that you threw away your key card. And Ivy was smart. 746 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,860 She grabbed it, didn't she? As she was dying, because in her last moment she 747 00:48:03,860 --> 00:48:05,900 wanted to leave a trace. Someone stopped her. 748 00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:10,430 Or someone, please stop this monk. 749 00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:13,370 Ivy was a child, okay? An idiotic fool. 750 00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:19,110 And she thought that Garrett was going to, what, leave his job and marry her? I 751 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:20,110 tried to play nice. 752 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:23,970 I told her to leave. I said leave town. 753 00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:27,750 But she stuck around. She didn't listen. Garrett didn't listen either? 754 00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:31,310 No, he never does. I don't know what I have to do. And that's why you threw him 755 00:48:31,310 --> 00:48:32,009 under the bus. 756 00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:34,150 To make him listen. To make him yours. 757 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:35,910 Yes. 758 00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:37,470 Yes, because then... 759 00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:42,130 Then it would finally be me and him, and I would stand by him, and I would visit 760 00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:47,470 him, and when he got out of prison, he would know who really loved him. 761 00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:55,610 I wonder if he's going to visit you. 762 00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:14,740 You okay? 763 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,880 Yeah. 764 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,100 I think I used a bit more hammer than I did watercolor. 765 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,240 Well, whatever the tool, you still painted our killer. 766 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:35,020 Never easy to corner another woman.